i mean, look, there are not just magic asterisks in the romney/ryan program. there are complete empty sections of geography, complete deserts. we don't even know how those huge tax cuts, mostly for the very wealthy, are going to be paid for. there's no idea of which loopholes are going to be closed, how loopholes are going to be closed, whether loopholes are going to be closed, what in fact is a loophole? there's no there there. until there is a there there, the public is not going to feel that this plan is credible. >> ari, what about that? romney and ryan keep saying we believe we're going to work with congress and work out those details. >> here's how i look at it. number one, he's a candidate for office. when you look at the totality of his proposals, he says he can balance the budget in eight to ten years. the president had to offer a very specific budget. it never once comes into balance. now, as for those specifics on taxes, i go back to the last time we successfully had major tax reform which was in 1986 with ronald reagan as president. he didn't come